murraypaul wrote:DrFfybes wrote:Without that sort of info, the figures are meaningless, and PHE should really know better if they are releasing raw data like that with no context as it would inevitably feed into the anti vax campaign.
PHE released a comprehensive report, they can't control how it gets (mis)interpreted.
It isn't their job to worry about the politics.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ing_18.pdfPage 16 has what you were asking about.
2 double vaccinated deaths were under 50, 116 over 50.
Thanks. Very interesting but yet again I find myself to be an information glutton, always left wanting more. It's a shame, at least for me, that they did a simple over/under-50 bracketing of the age groups since the risk profiles of a 51 year old vs a 65 year old vs an 85 year old are very materially different based on before-the-vaccines data from earlier in the pandemic and I assume still true today.
I also note with interest that the 1-dose-only data is split into two columns, "<21 days post dose 1" and ">=21 days post dose 1" whereas the double-dose is only a single "Received 2 doses" column. If the 2-dose grouping isn't including any "settling in" time for the second dose then I wonder whether that slightly overstates the numbers for double-dosed since my understanding is that it is not just the 1st dose but also the 2nd dose that needs time to reach full efficacy. I've heard times of 10 - 14 days for Pfizer but some discussion that it might be a bit longer for AZ, maybe 21 days or more. Personally I allowed 5 weeks before I considered my AZ 2nd dose to have given me the best immunity that it was going to be able to build for me.
2nd dose reporting does bug me. As you say "they can't control how it gets (mis)interpreted" so it's not a criticism of the very timely and well-formatted data reported daily on the coronavirus dashboard but whenever I hear a news report quoting the latest vaccination numbers, e.g. 68.8% of UK adults have now received two doses of a vaccine, I always remember that it doesn't mean that 68.8% of the population have achieved their maximum vaccination protection yet because 2nd doses still require time to achieve maximum possible efficacy in an individual and I am left wondering how many other viewers are factoring in that caveat when hearing the numbers.
- Julian