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NHS APP pings

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Have you uninstalled the NHS app?

Yes
10
13%
No
33
43%
Never had it
33
43%
Would rather not say
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 76

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NHS APP pings

#428307

Postby pje16 » July 17th, 2021, 4:28 pm

There were over 500,000 app pings last week (I was one of them)
so what is you view on it?
Please vote
My vote was No

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428319

Postby UncleEbenezer » July 17th, 2021, 5:11 pm

Never installed.

As I pointed out when they brought forward the release of the app as a Dead Cat for Cummings's excursion to Durham and Barnard Castle:

For myself, I might bring myself to live with that if it looked like a valid contribution to public health – a supposition now as dead as the cat.

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428345

Postby vagrantbrain » July 17th, 2021, 10:18 pm

I thought it was flawed from the start: just because your phone is near someone elses phone doesn't necessarily mean you've been in contact with them. The window cleaner, the person in the car next to you in a traffic jam, those people who need to leave their phones in a locker (e.g. heathrow border force or food factory), people in a restaurant before a positive case comes in, people standing outside your house at a bus stop etc all getting pinged where the risk of transmission is vanishingly small. According to an article in nature nearly 95% of those told to isolate by the app test subsequently test negative.

I can understand why people delete it - Fully vaccinated and a negative test but still need to stay at home on zero pay for 10 days because the person in the car behind you in a traffic jam tested positive, no thanks.

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428346

Postby daveh » July 17th, 2021, 10:33 pm

Which one? I have the protect Scotland app running, but it doesn't work in Englandshire.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Mike88 » July 17th, 2021, 10:35 pm

There are 2 NHS aps. There is the NHS COVID 19 ap and an NHS ap that, among other things, gives users access to their medical records including their vaccine records. One aspect is the ability to obtain what is in effect a vaccine passport costing less than £2 which provides a QR code which can be read by Border Force for those returning from abroad. I stumbled across this by accident and had not seen its availability reported anywhere.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Spet0789 » July 17th, 2021, 10:43 pm

vagrantbrain wrote:I thought it was flawed from the start: just because your phone is near someone elses phone doesn't necessarily mean you've been in contact with them. The window cleaner, the person in the car next to you in a traffic jam, those people who need to leave their phones in a locker (e.g. heathrow border force or food factory), people in a restaurant before a positive case comes in, people standing outside your house at a bus stop etc all getting pinged where the risk of transmission is vanishingly small. According to an article in nature nearly 95% of those told to isolate by the app test subsequently test negative.

I can understand why people delete it - Fully vaccinated and a negative test but still need to stay at home on zero pay for 10 days because the person in the car behind you in a traffic jam tested positive, no thanks.


You don’t “need to stay at home” if the NHS app pings. It is and always was, advisory.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby vagrantbrain » July 17th, 2021, 10:48 pm

Spet0789 wrote:
vagrantbrain wrote:I thought it was flawed from the start: just because your phone is near someone elses phone doesn't necessarily mean you've been in contact with them. The window cleaner, the person in the car next to you in a traffic jam, those people who need to leave their phones in a locker (e.g. heathrow border force or food factory), people in a restaurant before a positive case comes in, people standing outside your house at a bus stop etc all getting pinged where the risk of transmission is vanishingly small. According to an article in nature nearly 95% of those told to isolate by the app test subsequently test negative.

I can understand why people delete it - Fully vaccinated and a negative test but still need to stay at home on zero pay for 10 days because the person in the car behind you in a traffic jam tested positive, no thanks.


You don’t “need to stay at home” if the NHS app pings. It is and always was, advisory.


True, but few workplaces will allow you in once you have been, hence the current issues. Not to mention the british sense of "doing the right thing"

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby daveh » July 17th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Mike88 wrote:There are 2 NHS aps. There is the NHS COVID 19 ap and an NHS ap that, among other things, gives users access to their medical records including their vaccine records. One aspect is the ability to obtain what is in effect a vaccine passport costing less than £2 which provides a QR code which can be read by Border Force for those returning from abroad. I stumbled across this by accident and had not seen its availability reported anywhere.

Doesn't exist in Scotland (app that allows access to medical records/QR code that can be ready by border force)

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Mike4 » July 17th, 2021, 11:51 pm

I think you've missed off an important voting option.

A course of action lots of people are taking is to keep the app (as it is needed for signing into places like pubs, restaurants etc) but to disable/turn off the bluetooth proximity recording function.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby jfgw » July 18th, 2021, 12:24 am

What seems daft to me is that you can sign in but you can't sign out (other than by signing in somewhere-else). There are even QR codes in some shops where I might spend 10 minutes in the morning and someone with Covid might enter in the evening.

I use the app to sign in to pubs etc. but not shops or similar places where I don't have to.


Julian F. G. W.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby 1nvest » July 18th, 2021, 12:32 am

Spet0789 wrote:You don’t “need to stay at home” if the NHS app pings. It is and always was, advisory.

Even if you're contacted by phone and told to isolate ...
If you're told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace:

self-isolate immediately
do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone ...etc.

Where in reality orders can be delayed for days/week+, and when actually delivered fall far short of what you actually ordered ... necessitating you have to go out and about.

Little wonder only 11% of those told to actually comply. Repeatedly the government have implemented things without providing the infrastructure, or in a totally untimely manner expecting others to bear the cost/time of issues arising out of such short notice.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Mike4 » July 18th, 2021, 12:45 am

jfgw wrote:What seems daft to me is that you can sign in but you can't sign out (other than by signing in somewhere-else). There are even QR codes in some shops where I might spend 10 minutes in the morning and someone with Covid might enter in the evening.

I use the app to sign in to pubs etc. but not shops or similar places where I don't have to.


Julian F. G. W.


What seems daft to me is the guvvermint are implementing measures clearly designed to increase prevalence of the virus whilst at the same time still telling people to isolate. I've deleted my app in protest as I'm not playing their stupid political games at potentially my own expense.

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428388

Postby MrFoolish » July 18th, 2021, 9:05 am

Seems if you are the Chancellor or Prime Minister, the ping needs not apply.

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428389

Postby redsturgeon » July 18th, 2021, 9:06 am

Don't worry if you get pinged, just do as the PM and chancellor are doing and start an NHS trial where you just test yourself each morning instead...who knew it could be so simple.

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428391

Postby pje16 » July 18th, 2021, 9:13 am

Seems the BBC are on their side too
They changed the title and content of an article at 6am ish this morning
viewtopic.php?f=98&t=22218&p=428380#p428380

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Re: NHS APP pings

#428430

Postby Mike4 » July 18th, 2021, 11:27 am

redsturgeon wrote:Don't worry if you get pinged, just do as the PM and chancellor are doing and start an NHS trial where you just test yourself each morning instead...who knew it could be so simple.

John


Maybe I'll re-install the app in that case. This is a MUCH better option than sitting at home for 10 days.

I bet the poor Test and Trace staff working at the coalface calling people and trying to instruct them to self-isolate for ten days are getting a shedload of push back today. Perfectly justified too in my opinion.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby chas49 » July 18th, 2021, 1:12 pm

1nvest wrote:
Spet0789 wrote:You don’t “need to stay at home” if the NHS app pings. It is and always was, advisory.

Even if you're contacted by phone and told to isolate ...


No. If you're contacted by T&T and told to isolate, you are required by law to comply. The app 'ping' does not carry to same legal weight.

See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1045/made

reg 2.1 :
2.—(1) This regulation applies where an adult is notified, other than by means of the NHS Covid 19 smartphone app developed and operated by the Secretary of State, by a person specified in paragraph (4)


The regs remain in force until September.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Julian » July 18th, 2021, 1:17 pm

Mike4 wrote:
redsturgeon wrote:Don't worry if you get pinged, just do as the PM and chancellor are doing and start an NHS trial where you just test yourself each morning instead...who knew it could be so simple.

John


Maybe I'll re-install the app in that case. This is a MUCH better option than sitting at home for 10 days.

I bet the poor Test and Trace staff working at the coalface calling people and trying to instruct them to self-isolate for ten days are getting a shedload of push back today. Perfectly justified too in my opinion.

There was talk of the whole isolation strategy, whether contacted by human contact tracers or pinged by the app, changing to that way of working from August 16th onwards with subsequent pushback from groups such as NHS staff saying that Aug-16 was too far off and that the staffing consequences of the "pingdemic" over the next few weeks because of the current rules (for when contacted by a human tracer) and guidance (for when pinged) should not be allowed to happen. I'm not sure where those discussions ended up and whether the change is still planned for Aug-16 or whether it might be bought forward perhaps only for select groups of people, or not now planned at all I suppose but surely that last option can't be allowed to happen.

- Julian

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby moorfield » July 18th, 2021, 1:18 pm

Think it might installed on our burner phone. Not sure, never pay much attention to that one.

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Re: NHS APP pings

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Postby Spet0789 » July 18th, 2021, 1:41 pm

chas49 wrote:
1nvest wrote:
Spet0789 wrote:You don’t “need to stay at home” if the NHS app pings. It is and always was, advisory.

Even if you're contacted by phone and told to isolate ...


No. If you're contacted by T&T and told to isolate, you are required by law to comply. The app 'ping' does not carry to same legal weight.

See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1045/made

reg 2.1 :
2.—(1) This regulation applies where an adult is notified, other than by means of the NHS Covid 19 smartphone app developed and operated by the Secretary of State, by a person specified in paragraph (4)


The regs remain in force until September.


Correct. The app is advisory. If you are contacted by T&T you are legally compelled to self isolate.


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