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Back to the pub yet?

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby 1nvest » September 30th, 2021, 9:54 pm

My 89 year old mother contracted Covid back in January (whilst in hospital following a fall), slight snivels (had had her first Pfizer jab 1.5 weeks prior to that).

My unvaccinated 25 year old Covid lockdown returned home son contracted Covid a number of weeks back, shortly after they opened up nightclubs ... that were packed, he had a cough/bad cold like symptoms, subsequently recovered well. Me (60's) and his brother, both double vaccinated lived in close proximity, same living room during evenings ...etc. during that period (and since) and endured no symptoms whatsoever.

Recent Friday/Saturday evening pub visits have been into tabled served/separated situations, lost a lot of the crowd/atmosphere.

Went to [expletive deleted]/Wimbledon match last week, 50K attendance, long (right across London) overcrowded Tubes etc. one guy clearly with a 'cold' on the packed train and sneezing relatively frequently, more usually in the past and if in a cinema and I was in one corner whilst another sneezed at the opposite corner, I'd contract a cold the next week. So far however and nothing. Just a guess but I suspect that if you're not obsessive with cleanliness and were previously prone to relatively frequent colds, once/twice each year, then perhaps you're less inclined to endure bad Covid effects.

For very very many Covid is a non-issue. For some critical maybe fatal. Vaccines seem to help but difficult to say as even many unvaccinated contracting Covid endure no/mild symptoms, and until you know you've likely been exposed and endured no/mild/moderate cold like symptoms and nothing more reasonably you might remain fearful. As its here to stay I guess you can either become Howard Hughes like and lock yourself away permanently, or take your chances and get back to living life again. When and how would you choose to die? Given choices of living long enough to be a spoon fed vegetable in a care home, or younger but whilst in a induced coma ... and I'm more inclined to favour the latter.

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby Julian » October 1st, 2021, 12:49 pm

bungeejumper wrote:Just taking the temperature here. ...
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Serious question, I'd be really interested to know how many Lemons have happily returned to the boozer? And if you have, how do you find it

I sound a bit similar to your friend in that I'm a sixty-something (healthy) guy where the most common venue for my social activities are pub meetups with various groups of friends. It's no longer the Friday/Saturday night madness of my youth in pubs so packed that one had to elbow one's way to the bar; even before the pandemic I tended to pick mid-week evenings in pubs that don't get too busy during the slightly earlier evening times that I go.

What is my attitude now? Back to the above. After every lockdown I went back to pubs on the day(s) they re-opened although I did stick very strictly to outdoor tables only. Yes, I know that was a necessity at some points due to phased release of lockdowns only allowing outside tables for the first month or so but for all lockdown releases I stuck to an outside-only rule well after inside tables were allowed again. For about the last couple of months however I have been going inside occasionally when a pub is quiet and well ventilated and I try to sit next to a window that I make sure is open. I don't stick to that last rule rigorously, it's more of a "why not?" thing that I do whenever it is possible; it seems silly to me to not take additional simple precautions when they are in no way inconvenient(*) and window tables are usually nicer anyway.

1nvest wrote:...
Went to [expletive deleted]/Wimbledon match last week, 50K attendance, long (right across London) overcrowded Tubes etc. one guy clearly with a 'cold' on the packed train and sneezing relatively frequently, more usually in the past and if in a cinema and I was in one corner whilst another sneezed at the opposite corner, I'd contract a cold the next week. So far however and nothing. ...


One thing that Prof Tim Spector from the King's College Zoe Covid-19 project has been complaining about for ages is how, despite other countries having done so, the UK government still is not changing its list of symptoms for Covid-19 particulary to identify breakthrough infections (i.e. infection after being fully vaccinated). Apparently there is an increasing body of evidence that has been accumulating for many months now that the classic fever, shortness of breath, persistent cough etc symptoms are now seen in far fewer Covid-19 sufferers. According to their data they say...

Here is the current ranking of COVID symptoms after 2 vaccinations:

Headache
Runny nose
Sneezing
Sore throat
Loss of smell
The previous ‘traditional’ symptoms as still outlined on the government website, such as anosmia (loss of smell), shortness of breath and fever rank way down the list, at 5, 29 and 12 respectively. A persistent cough now ranks at number 8 if you’ve had two vaccine doses, so is no longer the top indicator of having COVID.

Curiously, we noticed that people who had been vaccinated and then tested positive for COVID-19 were more likely to report sneezing as a symptom compared with those without a jab.

[ Source: https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/new-top-5-covid-symptoms ]

I note your use of quotes when you mention that guy's 'cold' so maybe you were referring to that uncertainty now about whether someone has a cold or Covid-19 but in light of the above one thing that occurs to me is that the guy could have had Covid-19 and so your double-vaccination (I think you have posted in the past that you are fully vaccinated) might have been what protected you rather than you no longer catching a cold from someone at the opposite corner of a cinema.

- Julian

(*) That same "why not if it isn't inconvenient?" principle is the reason why I still always wear a mask inside all shops and public transport.

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby 1nvest » October 1st, 2021, 3:15 pm

Julian wrote:I note your use of quotes when you mention that guy's 'cold' so maybe you were referring to that uncertainty now about whether someone has a cold or Covid-19 but in light of the above one thing that occurs to me is that the guy could have had Covid-19 and so your double-vaccination (I think you have posted in the past that you are fully vaccinated) might have been what protected you rather than you no longer catching a cold from someone at the opposite corner of a cinema.

I did have a nasty 'flu' like experience before Covid officially broke (spanning Xmas), as seemingly did many others in Nov/Dec, 3 or so days in bed. My unvaccinated son had Covid more recently and we continued at home as usual, no separation/isolation. Perhaps the vaccines work (I was double Oxford/Azn) or maybe I've already had it and have antibodies. Unusually for me I've not had any colds in the last 18 months+ despite both my sons having had such (Colds and Covid). As such I feel like one of the vast majority for whom Covid is a trivial matter, comparable to a cold or perhaps more flu like. Which psychologically has made me feel more comfortable about socialising even in large groups/close indoor contacts.

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby 1nvest » October 1st, 2021, 3:21 pm

Julian wrote:
Here is the current ranking of COVID symptoms after 2 vaccinations:

Headache
Runny nose
Sneezing
Sore throat
Loss of smell
The previous ‘traditional’ symptoms as still outlined on the government website, such as anosmia (loss of smell), shortness of breath and fever rank way down the list, at 5, 29 and 12 respectively. A persistent cough now ranks at number 8 if you’ve had two vaccine doses, so is no longer the top indicator of having COVID.

Curiously, we noticed that people who had been vaccinated and then tested positive for COVID-19 were more likely to report sneezing as a symptom compared with those without a jab.

[ Source: https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/new-top-5-covid-symptoms ]

Have had repeated sneezing, fly up the nose type sensation on quite a few occasions over the last 18 months (a couple of times also with one nostril being quite runny); Also loss of taste/smell once or maybe twice. Perhaps if having had Covid and also having been vaccinated its risk diminishes into insignificance.

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby pje16 » October 1st, 2021, 3:27 pm

I've been over a dozen times and all 3 pubs have had very good measures in place
removed a lof tables so you are sitting nowhere near anyone else
No-one at the bar, you order by phone or table service
I was worried at first but it was far safer than I expected

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby AleisterCrowley » October 1st, 2021, 3:39 pm

Some seem to be very cautious still, some entirely back to normal.
I'm not too fussed. I've been ill once recently, minor temp and sneezing - but more than likely just a common cold.
In my risk review (mental) I'm a lot more worried about another health issue that has cropped up - unfixed after 28 days of antibiotics.. :(

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Re: Back to the pub yet?

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Postby pje16 » October 1st, 2021, 3:56 pm

There's a cold doing the rounds in my area, I had it 3 weeks ago, sore throat, and runny nose, no sneezing
probably caught it at Tesco where I was told there had a lot of snotty nosed people checking out at the tills (nice)


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