Charlottesquare wrote:Jamesmuenchen wrote:Charlottesquare wrote:we did not fall by conquest we agreed to a document that binds the two countries in Union insofar as the two countries still wish to be in such Union.
Not really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_UnionArticle 1 states "That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England, shall upon the 1st May next ensuing the date hereof, and forever after, be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain."
You tend not to include the prenup within the marriage ceremony.
Very glib.
But there was no prenup.
And even if there had been:
Article 25 provided that all laws of either kingdom that may be inconsistent with the Articles in the Treaty were declared void.So Article 1 would prevail.
The (Scots) law that enacted the treaty is still on the statute books.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/aosp/170 ... view=plainWHICH ARTICLES OF UNION and Act immediately above-written Her Majesty with advice and consent foresaid Statutes Enacts and Ordains to be and Continue in all time coming the sure and perpetuall foundation of ane compleat and intire Union of the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England You can talk about countries and regions and whatever else you like, they are loosely defined and essentially meaningless. The political entity was the Kingdom of Scotland and it entered into a permanent union with the Kingdom of England.
This is why the Scottish govt cannot simply declare UDI or hold its own referendum without the consent of Westminster. It is not in their gift and everyone involved knows it.
dspp wrote:If you go and speak quietly to senior folk in the EU commission, you will find that there is a willingness to accommodate an independent Scotland's entry "very quickly". That is based on the commission's understanding of the mood amongst the European Council, who are the elected heads of state or governments. I am quite sure of my sources.
I'm quite sure of your sources too.
Even if it were true though, the Accession process is well known. There is some scope to go easy, but EU laws have to be implemented. Including joing the Euro.
That's an audit not a negotiation.
Then there's the question of how current and future Candidate countries will react to favouritism shown to Scotland. They will expect the same treatment.
dspp wrote:It would seem that the European Union is a union with a clearly understood and exercisable exit clause, accessible equally by all.
Thanks to the UK for insisting on Article 50.
dspp wrote:However the little-Englander approach to the Act of Union would appear to be a more colonialist diktat. That is telling the Scottish a message that is being heard pretty clearly.
It was a symmetrical agreement, entered into freely.
You are becoming ever more bitter and twisted in your hatred of the English.
Funny how it's the posters who clearly see themselves as "the good guys" that are always spewing hatred. Now, where's my Big Book of Nazi Parallels?