csearle wrote:JamesMuenchen wrote:How come posts like this get allowed to stand?
viewtopic.php?p=382186#p382186Redsturgeon did step in to say no more, but I don't understand why abusive posts are not summarily deleted when off-topic ones are.
Which bit is the most offensive?
Out of accusing someone of trolling, because they're not getting their Viagra, or calling them a fud?
Hard to say. I would say none of it is acceptable. Or on-topic for that matter.
But it's not up to me.
RedSturgeon left it there and you seem to find it OK too.
csearle wrote:the best course of action if you think a rule had been breached is simply to report that post explaining exactly why and allow the moderators there to take a view.
redsturgeon wrote:If you think a post breaks the rules then report it. It will then be looked at and dealt with according to the site rules. It is not my job to consider each and every post to decide if a third party has been subject to abuse when they don't report it as such. The site depends on users using the reporting system.
This is the constant refrain, which is the reason I brought that example here.
Redsturgeon (the chief mod, as I understand it) clearly read that post and thought some action was needed BUT a generic "settle down" warning was all that was required.*
Csearle seems to think it is fine.
Previously I've reported such posts and normally the report has been closed without any action. The best one can expect is that the abuse is removed and, if you're lucky, the mod doesn't add it in the mod box like "stop calling Lootman a fud" which is kind of counter-productive.
There's rarely any action and even more rarely any sanction. In my experience. Which is why I hardly bother to report such things any more.
* …a warning which, by the way, the offending poster immediately ripped on. Both in replying to the mod box and in editing his post to repeat the offending term and blame his auto correct.
redsturgeon wrote:- It is difficult to write down rules which can be consistently applied to every situation since we have a team of moderators each using their own judgement and each case needs to be treated on its merits.
You have the rules written down, it shouldn't be hard to consistently apply them.
app.php/rulesRobust debate is allowed, but it must remain polite and respectful at all times. Stick to the facts and argue the points discussed, rather than criticise the poster.
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Swearing is actively discouraged.
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Each discussion board has its own focus for discussions. While the site owners are happy for things to shift slightly off-topic, please respect the fact that the regular users of that board may not wish it to diverge too far away from its stated intent. Once again, mutual understanding and respect is requested.I make that 3 violations in one post.
And to be clear, it's not just about this one post. This sort of thing happens frequently. As JohnHemming said, the mods seem far more interested in guarding topic-discipline or the sanctity of HYP than puerile abuse of their posters. And yes, it's puerile and childish and we can all take a sticks and stones attitude to it like Lootman, but it does get wearing.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is the kind of 'abuse', and from the same source, as JohnHemming was complaining about before he left.