Howard wrote:
Ody
Are you recycling five year old posts?
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Howard
Ha Ha, no this is the rollout as of now, albeit with some more short delays:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/144 ... 08032?s=20
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Howard wrote:
Ody
Are you recycling five year old posts?
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Howard
odysseus2000 wrote:With casting construction this is sort of calculation is almost certainly going to increase leading to yet larger insurance premiums. However, there is some potential relief in that Chinese BEV are extremely low cost with popular models costing £5k brand new. Whether these will catch on with western consumers I do not know, but for someone who has little money but needs a car they may become popular, assuming they can get past the various crash tests and such that all makers must have their cars subjected to. As far as I understand it, many of the Chinese models will pass the western safety tests, but for now I don't know of any that are being imported in to Europe or the US, but I expect the GM part owned marque to begin imports sometime in the next year. A £5k car that one can charge for very little (no extra cost about 10 months of the year if you have home solar) making it extremely environmentally friendly may become the car of choice for folk who support Insulate Britain and/or have similar environmental concerns.
Given the recent fuel shortages electric must also be more on folks minds as a way to avoid repeats of the ugly fuel scenes at many petrol stations over the last few weeks. This may also favour the low cost Chinese BEV. Tesla are apparently considering advertising their solar and power walls to emphasise the advantages of becoming ones own utility which would also help BEV sales.
TUK020 wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:With casting construction this is sort of calculation is almost certainly going to increase leading to yet larger insurance premiums. However, there is some potential relief in that Chinese BEV are extremely low cost with popular models costing £5k brand new. Whether these will catch on with western consumers I do not know, but for someone who has little money but needs a car they may become popular, assuming they can get past the various crash tests and such that all makers must have their cars subjected to. As far as I understand it, many of the Chinese models will pass the western safety tests, but for now I don't know of any that are being imported in to Europe or the US, but I expect the GM part owned marque to begin imports sometime in the next year. A £5k car that one can charge for very little (no extra cost about 10 months of the year if you have home solar) making it extremely environmentally friendly may become the car of choice for folk who support Insulate Britain and/or have similar environmental concerns.
Given the recent fuel shortages electric must also be more on folks minds as a way to avoid repeats of the ugly fuel scenes at many petrol stations over the last few weeks. This may also favour the low cost Chinese BEV. Tesla are apparently considering advertising their solar and power walls to emphasise the advantages of becoming ones own utility which would also help BEV sales.
The Citroen Ami is apparently taking Paris by storm:
https://www.citroen.co.uk/models/future-models/ami.html
70km range, 45km max speed, 3 hrs to charge from a mains plug in charger. under £6k. In France can be driven by a 14 year old without a driving license as a quadricycle. Can be parked sideways in a parking space.
Would be a serious consideration in places like London when it gets launched in the spring
Toyota Motors (NYSE:TM) reporting a 36% sales decline, Honda (NYSE:HMC) reporting a 28% drop and Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) saying sales were off 26%. Volkswagen (OTCPK:VLKAF) also saw big drops through its two joint ventures (-48% and -23%)
(NASDAQ:TSLA), which sold 56K China-made vehicles in September vs. 44K in August.
odysseus2000 wrote:Interesting sales numbers from China:
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3751574-t ... News+SmartToyota Motors (NYSE:TM) reporting a 36% sales decline, Honda (NYSE:HMC) reporting a 28% drop and Nissan (OTCPK:NSANY) saying sales were off 26%. Volkswagen (OTCPK:VLKAF) also saw big drops through its two joint ventures (-48% and -23%)
By contrast:(NASDAQ:TSLA), which sold 56K China-made vehicles in September vs. 44K in August.
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BobbyD
Most of those MIC Teska sales were not sold in China. The actual figures are already posted in this thread.
odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD
Most of those MIC Teska sales were not sold in China. The actual figures are already posted in this thread.
What is a MIC Teska?
Are you also disputing the reported sales declines for legacy auto?
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odysseus2000 wrote:Tesla crash lab (4 mins 28 seconds) :
https://youtu.be/9KR2N_Q8ep8
Shows how Tesla use crash data from their fleet of around 1 million cars to determine most probable crashes and then test and use the test data to improve the cars resistance to impacts via over the air updates.
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BobbyD wrote:odysseus2000 wrote:BobbyD
Most of those MIC Teska sales were not sold in China. The actual figures are already posted in this thread.
What is a MIC Teska?
Are you also disputing the reported sales declines for legacy auto?
Regards,
The vast majority of made in China Teslas were exported not sold in China.
Haven't read the piece, just pointing out the error in your comparison which is so blatant it is patently obvious without wasting time on it.
odysseus2000 wrote:Live feed of William Shatner going to space in a Blue Origin rocket:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNI2x1NQYwM
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Howard
Whilst ICE car volumes are down, the profitability of manufacturing premium models seems to be holding up very well as they transition to BEV manufacture. For example BMW shares are up 20% and VW up 30% in 2021.
Howard:
Markets are looking ahead as they rate these companies and the increasing profitability may not continue but investors are certainly betting it will in the short term.
odysseus2000 wrote:Howard
Whilst ICE car volumes are down, the profitability of manufacturing premium models seems to be holding up very well as they transition to BEV manufacture. For example BMW shares are up 20% and VW up 30% in 2021.
BMW 3 year chart:
https://twitter.com/0_ody/status/144828 ... 72738?s=20
VW 3 year chart:
https://twitter.com/0_ody/status/144828 ... 99881?s=20
Tesla 3 year chart:
https://twitter.com/0_ody/status/144828 ... 25476?s=20
We see that BMW has been mixed, 2 months down, 2 up, but still not back to where it was mid year.
VW has had 5 straight down months.
Tesla has had 5 straight up months.Howard:
Markets are looking ahead as they rate these companies and the increasing profitability may not continue but investors are certainly betting it will in the short term.
Not as I see the price action.
We are on the cusp of a huge number of Chinese marques coming to Europe and the US. Betting on legacy surviving this tsunami of low cost BEV is for the very brave.
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