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Not the typical Finnish reaction
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Paul
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DrFfybes wrote:Apparently a replacement battery for Tesla modelS is $22k. It appears some people think it is cheaper to throw the whole car away and start again.....
https://electrek.co/2021/12/23/tesla-ow ... placement/
Not the typical Finnish reaction
Paul
Midsmartin wrote:I think I've seen that an ev uses about 40% more energy in production than a petrol car, mainly in making batteries. So you need to drive a fair few miles to reach break even.
Midsmartin wrote:
Plus people buying evs seem now to buy huge SUVs the size of a tank, which use more energy both in manufacture and use, as well as clogging up parking spaces and narrow roads.
Howard wrote:Midsmartin wrote:
Plus people buying evs seem now to buy huge SUVs the size of a tank, which use more energy both in manufacture and use, as well as clogging up parking spaces and narrow roads.
Which BEVs are you referring to?
The most popular BEVs are medium sized. Tesla Model 3, Kia, Hyundai, VW Golfs, ID 3s, ID 4s, MG, Skoda, Mini, Nissan, Vauxhall, Peugeot, Mazda, Renault are all small/medium cars.
Can you name a few BEV SUVs which are the size of a tank and have sold in any quantity?![]()
regards
Howard
PS are you confusing hybrids with BEVs?
DrFfybes wrote:Howard wrote:Midsmartin wrote:
Plus people buying evs seem now to buy huge SUVs the size of a tank, which use more energy both in manufacture and use, as well as clogging up parking spaces and narrow roads.
Which BEVs are you referring to?
The most popular BEVs are medium sized. Tesla Model 3, Kia, Hyundai, VW Golfs, ID 3s, ID 4s, MG, Skoda, Mini, Nissan, Vauxhall, Peugeot, Mazda, Renault are all small/medium cars.
Can you name a few BEV SUVs which are the size of a tank and have sold in any quantity?![]()
regards
Howard
PS are you confusing hybrids with BEVs?
Depends what you call small/medium or a 'tank'. I'd say pretty much anything that is an SUV is not 'small/medium', I'd say anything small/med are Focus and smaller, so Mini, Leaf, ID3, Zoe, etc.
Kia Niro (2nd biggest selling electric car 2021 with 11,600 units compared to Tesla model 3 with 25k), Audi Etron (5th, 6800), Hyundai Kona (6th, 6500), Jag Ipace, Merc EQA, new MG ZS (9th, 5100 units sold), Ford.#'s murdering of the Mustang brand Mach-E, Skoda E-yak, etc etc.
https://heycar.co.uk/blog/electric-cars ... rojections
30k units from the top 10 best sellers, compared to a total of about 90k, so looks like about 30%.
Paul
Howard wrote:
Can I cheekily ask if your car feels tank-like and takes up more space in a car park than our Kia Soul EV SUV?*
regards
Howard
*4195 x 1800 mm incl wing mirrors
Midsmartin wrote:
Plus people buying evs seem now to buy huge SUVs the size of a tank, which use more energy both in manufacture and use, as well as clogging up parking spaces and narrow roads.
DrFfybes wrote:.....the premium for a Fiat 500 BEV over the petrol one is enough to buy 100,000 miles worth of unleaded.
DrFfybes wrote:Back to the original topic, $22k for new batteries after 9 years is £1800/year. Average diesel over the last decade say 120p/L, so 340 gal at 50mpg average in our Large saloon is 17,000 miles per year.
Urbandreamer wrote:DrFfybes wrote:Back to the original topic, $22k for new batteries after 9 years is £1800/year. Average diesel over the last decade say 120p/L, so 340 gal at 50mpg average in our Large saloon is 17,000 miles per year.
Back to the original topic. You are talking about a car company with a terrible reputation for out of warranty service. One that, like all car companies, would prefer to sell new cars. Do you go to VW when you need an entire new petrol engine for your VW car? Would you change the entire engine because it needed a new EGR valve or turbo? I know that I didn't go to Citroen when I needed the entire hydropneumatic suspension changing (which was expensive).
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Cost is the one reason that I have not replaced my old banger with an old electric car, despite my desire to.
That said my next car will be a BEV, regardless.
DrFfybes wrote:
A BEV Fiat 500 is about £13k more than a petrol one. About 1900 gallons. At Honest John's real world 48mpg for a petrol 500, that's 90,000 miles of driving paid for upfront. Unless you lease them, you really really have to want one to get one.
Paul
AF62 wrote:Although the electric Corsa cost £4.5k more than the petrol version, doing 7,500 miles a year over 4 years, the electric Corsa was £2.5k cheaper in the total cost over that time.
bungeejumper wrote:But that's just quibbling. The bigger downside risk is in the car's depreciation, which they didn't mention because they were thinking only about leasing with a known residual value. And fair enough, because most new cars are bought that way, and more fool the leasing company if it gets its sums wrong.
BJ
JohnB wrote:Its hardly an argument against BEVs to say that they are improving rapidly, and might leave early adopters with a big depreciation hit.
I think very few battery changes have been done so far because 1) the batteries lasted longer than predicted)
2) current vehicles are better than the old. If both trends continue, you will get 200k lifetime batteries, and your car's residual value after 10 years will be dominated by its battery, which be in demand for smoothing power generation, in your home or more likely in a 40' container.
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