Urbandreamer wrote: but that argument why others shouldn't just doesn't hold water.
I didnt say that though did I.
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Urbandreamer wrote: but that argument why others shouldn't just doesn't hold water.
didds wrote:Urbandreamer wrote:Come on didds, be sensible. Sure, you could have argued about problems driving from Lands end to John o groats. Instead you chose traveling from home to the nearest town and back.
because Im likely to do that. Swindon and back is a 50 mile return. Like what others have suggested a 10 hour (OK, 8 hours!) charge would provide on a domestic supply.
Urbandreamer wrote:The low values assumed a 13A plug. If you actually read the thread then you will realize that is only one option.
Elsewhere on TLF we were talking a 32A circuit for induction hobs. I know that similar is used on showers.
Oh for your info showers can be up to 7KW, or THE SAME as a dedicated domestic EV charger.
Urbandreamer wrote:
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.
Total and absolute rubbish.
didds wrote:from this very thread.
"Assuming 10 rather than 13A for 8hr, that's 18kwh.
I've just checked and the Mini's battery is 32.6kwh, which they claim as 100 miles.
So 100 miles every day is out of the question doing that
Drive every other day, less than 50 miles a day, or charge for longer and she could be golden. I calculate a full charge from flat to take about 16hr at 10A."
That was written by a poster named... checks notes... urbanDreamer.
whatever
airbus330 wrote:My wife, in a fit of uncharacteristic spending, has bought a nearly new Mini Electric EV
I've been asked to get a suitable charging point installed at the house, which has off street parking.
I know nothing about this!
Any pointers please.
Urbandreamer wrote:Domestic supply is limited to 10A, because I picked it as a good limit for a 13A socket (based upon industry standard).
airbus330 wrote: Bearing in mind that my wife only drives 5k miles per year, her fuel savings of around £250/y vs. running her oil burning Mini, are not going to see her breakeven anytime soon. But she is enjoying the temporary street cred of doing electric!
scotview wrote:airbus330 wrote: Bearing in mind that my wife only drives 5k miles per year, her fuel savings of around £250/y vs. running her oil burning Mini, are not going to see her breakeven anytime soon. But she is enjoying the temporary street cred of doing electric!
A much more significant issue (probably) will be that your wife will self limit her journey distance due to range/charger anxiety. Our ID3 has a 48kWh battery and for journeys greater than 90 miles, return, my wife will use my petrol Dacia Duster. Her EV is used exclusively for local journeys. I also would not allow her to take the EV on longer journeys on dark winter nights by herself for my peace of mind. A lot of Scottish charging points are in poorly lit, dodgy and quite remote areas and the chargers more often than not don't work or are vandalised.
airbus330 wrote:scotview wrote:
A much more significant issue (probably) will be that your wife will self limit her journey distance due to range/charger anxiety. Our ID3 has a 48kWh battery and for journeys greater than 90 miles, return, my wife will use my petrol Dacia Duster. Her EV is used exclusively for local journeys. I also would not allow her to take the EV on longer journeys on dark winter nights by herself for my peace of mind. A lot of Scottish charging points are in poorly lit, dodgy and quite remote areas and the chargers more often than not don't work or are vandalised.
all good points, but I did laugh out loud at the "would not allow"!!!!!!.
As Basil Fawlty said, "you'd have to sew them back on first"
9873210 wrote:Looked at a 13A plug and compared it to the molex similar small connectors I use everyday for high currents. A 13A plug is so big and beefy, so overdesigned, surely it can carry 13A continuously. And kitemarks.
Silly me.
I encountered ET Wiring Regulation 722.55.101.0.201.1i. Some sockets are internally marked EV. There are two types of 13A sockets. They are mechanically compatible, externally visually identical, but have different burst into flame properties. Apparently standard 13A plugs and receptacles are, as the Texans say "All hat and no cattle".
quelquod wrote:9873210 wrote:Looked at a 13A plug and compared it to the molex similar small connectors I use everyday for high currents. A 13A plug is so big and beefy, so overdesigned, surely it can carry 13A continuously. And kitemarks.
Silly me.
I encountered ET Wiring Regulation 722.55.101.0.201.1i. Some sockets are internally marked EV. There are two types of 13A sockets. They are mechanically compatible, externally visually identical, but have different burst into flame properties. Apparently standard 13A plugs and receptacles are, as the Texans say "All hat and no cattle".
You’d have to look hard to find an electrician who hasn’t had to replace a shed full of burned-out 13A plugs and sockets due to lengthy use at high amperages and poor connections. Tumble driers and heaters are common culprits but I daresay there’ll be a few cheapskate plug-in car chargers along soon.
9873210 wrote:quelquod wrote:You’d have to look hard to find an electrician who hasn’t had to replace a shed full of burned-out 13A plugs and sockets due to lengthy use at high amperages and poor connections. Tumble driers and heaters are common culprits but I daresay there’ll be a few cheapskate plug-in car chargers along soon.
Which means this is not an EV problem and should not be addressed by regs for EV charging. It should be addressed by upgrading the specs for the standard plug/sockets so they are fit for purpose. Or stop calling it a 13A plug and require a physically different plug for all large loads.
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