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Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby terminal7 » February 8th, 2024, 10:00 am

Eggs, meat, sex, fertility drugs etc - well we have now
contaminated strawberry dessert
- see

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/68234345

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby Tedx » February 8th, 2024, 10:59 am

I'm pretty sure Alberto Contador (cycling) blamed a reading of Clenbuterol in his system on eating steak which came from 'body building cows' :D

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby Gerry557 » February 8th, 2024, 2:32 pm

"A Russian Anti-Doping Agency (Rusada) investigation initially found the teenager bore "no fault or negligence" for the failed test"

Maybe they have much higher levels allowed in Russia. We're they the ones who said Lance Armstrong passed too :D

I know someone who failed a drugs test and blamed in on eating seeded bread!

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby kempiejon » February 8th, 2024, 2:51 pm

Gerry557 wrote:I know someone who failed a drugs test and blamed in on eating seeded bread!


Angela Ripon?
Angela Rippon takes a drug test after hearing how eating poppy seeds caused one man to lose his job after failing a routine test at work.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8380083/

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby bungeejumper » February 9th, 2024, 9:09 am

Nutmeg's the one to go for if you really want to get under the radar. Although it's more likely to slow you down to zero than speed you up.
Swedish food magazine Matmagasinet had a bit of a typo in a 2008 issue. As Canada.com reported, ” Ten thousand copies of a food magazine were recalled in Sweden after a mistake in one of its recipes left four people poisoned, the magazine said Thursday.” Rather than the two pinches of nutmeg listed in the actual recipe, the typo called for 20 nutmeg nuts.

When the magazine realized its mistake, it quickly shot off notifications to the 50,000 Matmagasinet subscribers and added a note to the inside of each retail magazine alerting purchases that “high doses of nutmeg can cause poisoning symptoms.”

What kind of symptoms? According to The Spruce Eats, “Ingestion of small amounts of nutmeg is harmless to the body, including the amounts called for in all standard recipes. However, the consumption of more than 1 teaspoon ground nutmeg at once can cause side effects like wild hallucinations, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and irregular heartbeat within one to six hours after ingestion. Effects can last for several hours, and, when a large amount is used, can lead to organ failure.” Someone missed the memo.


Many more culinary disasters at https://littleindianabakes.com/cookbook-recalls/ . Enjoy, if that's the word. :|

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby dionaeamuscipula » February 9th, 2024, 9:56 am

terminal7 wrote:Eggs, meat, sex, fertility drugs etc - well we have now
contaminated strawberry dessert
- see

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/68234345

T7

The reason why normal foodstuffs are being blamed rather than supplements is that there is a whole regime around supplements these days, because it always used to be contaminated supplements that got blamed.

There is a wide ranging education programme - DMJrJrJr has had their first information session on doping and the use of supplements - at 14. MrsDM and I also had a session, on the same day as DM Jr had theirs. If they are doing anything representative either at a national or regional level, they are required to do a refresher course. We get frequent e-mails, especially when the banned list is updated, and there are posts on social media.

There are dedicated websites which can be used to check medicines and their status (globaldro.com for athletes from USA/UK/Australia and others), and there is a similar website for supplements https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/ where they test individual batches for certification purposes. There really is no excuse for taking contaminated supplements. BTW there's a resource for checking if a therapeutic use exemption is required. My guys don't, but I had to check.

I'm sure in other countries it can be harder, and it can be harder for those travelling internationally, which is why the tour sports like golf and tennis have medical personnel available for those athletes nor rich enough to have dedicated help (most of them).

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby Gerry557 » February 10th, 2024, 8:45 am

kempiejon wrote:
Gerry557 wrote:I know someone who failed a drugs test and blamed in on eating seeded bread!


Angela Ripon?
Angela Rippon takes a drug test after hearing how eating poppy seeds caused one man to lose his job after failing a routine test at work.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8380083/


Not Angela, it was Warburtons seed loaf. Apparently they ate the whole loaf. That is good going in itself. They should of mentioned washing it down with a bucket of poppy tea.

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby mc2fool » February 10th, 2024, 10:29 am

Gerry557 wrote:
kempiejon wrote:
Angela Ripon?
Angela Rippon takes a drug test after hearing how eating poppy seeds caused one man to lose his job after failing a routine test at work.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8380083/

Not Angela...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/may/29/angela-rippon-tests-positive-for-opiates-in-poppy-seed-experiment

However, there are plenty of hits if you google for poppy seed drug test ...

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby Oggy » February 10th, 2024, 8:38 pm

Drugs are so unfashionable these days if you want to succeed in women's sporting events at least. All a reasonably fit bloke needs to do is self-identify as a woman, enter a suitable women's event, and the chances of success are usually hugely increased. No need for tiresome preparation, those endless hours of training, the sacrifices one has to make etc...The bloke may want to shave though. Can't be too careful.....

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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby gpadsa » February 10th, 2024, 8:53 pm

On the other hand this is going to be great https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/68260961 "Enhanced games"

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Postby mc2fool » February 10th, 2024, 11:25 pm

Oggy wrote:All a reasonably fit bloke needs to do is self-identify as a woman, enter a suitable women's event, and the chances of success are usually hugely increased. No need for tiresome preparation, those endless hours of training, the sacrifices one has to make etc...The bloke may want to shave though. Can't be too careful.....

What suitable women's events would that be, the school sports day mums' sack race?

Most top level sports organisations have banned transgender women who underwent male puberty from women's events, requiring that they must have completed their transition before the age of 12 to compete. That includes World Athletics, World Aquatics, the International Cycling Union, the International Weightlifting Federation and many others, as well as the IOC of course.

Here's Seb Coe announcing it for World Athletics almost a year ago: https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12840994/world-athletics-excludes-transgender-women-from-womens-competition-lord-coe-confirms

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Postby servodude » February 10th, 2024, 11:27 pm

mc2fool wrote:
Oggy wrote:All a reasonably fit bloke needs to do is self-identify as a woman, enter a suitable women's event, and the chances of success are usually hugely increased. No need for tiresome preparation, those endless hours of training, the sacrifices one has to make etc...The bloke may want to shave though. Can't be too careful.....

What suitable women's events would that be, the school sports day mums' sack race?



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Re: Drug cheats - the excuses become even more bizarre

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Postby Oggy » February 11th, 2024, 11:20 am

as well as the IOC of course.


IOC response as below

It places responsibility on individual federations to determine eligibility criteria in their sport, but does not require transgender women to suppress testosterone levels in order to compete in female events.

However, this latest guidance has been criticised from many corners, with the athletes speaking to BBC Sport saying it is "not clear", "very vague" and "problematic".

The IOC's head of human rights Magali Martowicz told BBC Sport: "It has always been the responsibility of federations to set their own eligibility criteria. This has not changed


From here.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/61332123

Not clear to me that the IOC have banned transgenders at all.

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Postby mc2fool » February 11th, 2024, 11:51 am

Oggy wrote:
as well as the IOC of course.

IOC response as below

It places responsibility on individual federations to determine eligibility criteria in their sport, but does not require transgender women to suppress testosterone levels in order to compete in female events.

However, this latest guidance has been criticised from many corners, with the athletes speaking to BBC Sport saying it is "not clear", "very vague" and "problematic".

The IOC's head of human rights Magali Martowicz told BBC Sport: "It has always been the responsibility of federations to set their own eligibility criteria. This has not changed


From here.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/61332123

Not clear to me that the IOC have banned transgenders at all.

And where in that 2022 report does it support your claim that all a bloke needs to do is self-identify as a woman to enter women's events?

As it says and you quote, the IOC "places responsibility on individual federations to determine eligibility criteria in their sport" and since 2022 the federations have since changed their rules and the IOC is following them, as have national governing bodies.

"Transgender athletes face increased restrictions ahead of the Paris 2024 Olympics compared to previous rules, as it was recently decided that they must have completed their transition before the age of 12 to avoid unfair advantages.

Transgender athletes face greater hurdles in qualifying for the upcoming Olympic Games, which will take place in Paris from 26 July to 11 August. It has been mandated that the transition must be completed before the age limit of 12, as doing so after that age could give an advantage over cisgender female competitors.
"
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1143198/restrictions-transgender-paris2024-games

"French sprinter Halba Diouf feels she is being marginalised and hounded after her dream of participating at next year's Paris Olympics was shattered when World Athletics (WA) banned transgender women from elite female competitions.
Diouf had been training hard to improve her 200 metres time in the hope of running on home soil at the 2024 Games. But her ambitions were dashed in March when governing body WA banned transgender women who have gone through male puberty from competing in women's events, citing a "need to protect the female category."
"
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athletics/were-being-hounded-french-transgender-sprinter-decries-olympics-ban-2023-05-09/

"On March 31, 2023, UK Athletics, the national governing body for Olympic athletics in the United Kingdom (U.K.), issued a principle statement in which it prohibited transgender women who underwent puberty as a male from competing in the female category of sports. The updated policy applies the recently updated World Athletics Eligibility Regulations for Transgender Athletes to competitions in the U.K. licensed by UK Athletics or any of the Home Country Athletic Federations (HCAF). As a result, from March 31, transgender women who have undergone puberty as a male will be prohibited from entering female sporting events undertaken under a license granted from UK Athletics or the HCAF. "
https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2023-05-18/united-kingdom-uk-olympic-governing-body-prohibits-transgender-women-from-competing-outside-their-biological-gender/

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Postby Oggy » February 11th, 2024, 11:57 am

I was simply addressing the point that you stated the IOC has banned transgenders. I don't think it has.

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Postby mc2fool » February 11th, 2024, 1:29 pm

Oggy wrote:I was simply addressing the point that you stated the IOC has banned transgenders. I don't think it has.

Nobody has banned transgenders. Who has been banned is transgender women who underwent male puberty from women's events, and as the IOC delegates eligibility to the sports federations that have done that it's a distinction without a difference, especially for those transgender women who wanted to compete in the Paris Olympics.

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Postby Oggy » February 12th, 2024, 11:10 am

Nobody has banned transgenders. Who has been banned is transgender women who underwent male puberty from women's events, and as the IOC delegates eligibility to the sports federations that have done that it's a distinction without a difference, especially for those transgender women who wanted to compete in the Paris Olympics.


Ah...Clearly I must keep up with the multitude of transgenders available for today's discerning athlete.

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Postby bungeejumper » February 12th, 2024, 12:41 pm

Oggy wrote:Ah...Clearly I must keep up with the multitude of transgenders available for today's discerning athlete.

Okay, I'll give you half a point. The last time I looked, there was a list of 107 genders, which is a few more than the two which have seen the planet through the last 1.6 billion years. ;) Many of them were downright flippant - some people self-identify as the characters they play in Grand Theft Auto, and others list their gender as None Of Your Business, or perhaps Fluid Depending on the Time of Day.

But that's not quite the point. As mentioned above, the IOC and other bodies have generally been highly specific about the tight eligibility conditions that they apply to people who have transitioned. To do anything else would ruin the prospects of sporting success for people who had been born female and had stayed that way.

Back to the point, sort of. Snooker players eat bananas, whose high vitamin B content includes tryptophan, a type of protein that the body converts into seratonin, nature's very own beta blocker. It calms their nerves and steadies their hands. Classical musicians use the same devious trick to counter stage fright. Disgraceful. :D

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Postby servodude » February 12th, 2024, 10:47 pm

bungeejumper wrote:
Oggy wrote:Ah...Clearly I must keep up with the multitude of transgenders available for today's discerning athlete.

Okay, I'll give you half a point. The last time I looked, there was a list of 107 genders, which is a few more than the two which have seen the planet through the last 1.6 billion years. ;) Many of them were downright flippant - some people self-identify as the characters they play in Grand Theft Auto, and others list their gender as None Of Your Business, or perhaps Fluid Depending on the Time of Day.

But that's not quite the point. As mentioned above, the IOC and other bodies have generally been highly specific about the tight eligibility conditions that they apply to people who have transitioned. To do anything else would ruin the prospects of sporting success for people who had been born female and had stayed that way.

Back to the point, sort of. Snooker players eat bananas, whose high vitamin B content includes tryptophan, a type of protein that the body converts into seratonin, nature's very own beta blocker. It calms their nerves and steadies their hands. Classical musicians use the same devious trick to counter stage fright. Disgraceful. :D

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Doesn't the IOC take the position that even if you are genetically female (XX), and physically female, and indentifying as female, you need to maintain a testosterone level sufficiently low as to not give a physical advantege (such that some need to artifically suppress it)?

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Postby bungeejumper » February 13th, 2024, 7:38 am

servodude wrote:Doesn't the IOC take the position that even if you are genetically female (XX), and physically female, and indentifying as female, you need to maintain a testosterone level sufficiently low as to not give a physical advantege (such that some need to artifically suppress it)?

Indeed it does, as with Caster Semenya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya). That's a separate issue from trans, of course, but also relevant.

Traditionalists continue to insist that if you're XX you're genetically female, and if you're XY you're genetically male, and if you're YYY you're Delilah. :)

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