marronier wrote:More better can only compare two beers. So , of all the beers available ,which is the most bestest. If you have a double comparative then there must be a double superlative.
No, you have better, better than that and best of all.
TJH
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marronier wrote:More better can only compare two beers. So , of all the beers available ,which is the most bestest. If you have a double comparative then there must be a double superlative.
tjh290633 wrote:marronier wrote:More better can only compare two beers. So , of all the beers available ,which is the most bestest. If you have a double comparative then there must be a double superlative.
No, you have better, better than that and best of all.
TJH
jfgw wrote:UncleEbenezer wrote:You're mixing your drinks there. You don't use a still for beer, no matter how muchly betterer it is!
But you can use a still to turn this,
"OSCAR WILDE 3.7% abv dark mild
Dark and delicious award winning mild. Mellow, nutty and moreish."
https://www.mightyoakbrewing.co.uk/product/oscar-wilde/
Into this,
"WILDE SPIRIT 40% abv SINGLE MALT SPIRIT
Distilled from the award winning Oscar Wilde mild."
https://www.mightyoakbrewing.co.uk/product/wilde-spirit/
Julian F. G. W.
servodude wrote:Yeah beer is quite common as a spirit base even for gin (I know it's bought in by a couple of small local makers rather than brew it themselves)
Is Belhaven Best the best Best or is there a better Best?
Mike4 wrote:I'm anticipating an intervention from that nice Mr Poe any second now...
stewamax wrote:Mike4 wrote:I'm anticipating an intervention from that nice Mr Poe any second now...
Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore".
UncleEbenezer wrote:stewamax wrote:Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore".
Ah, but is the Raven better, when you add an extra letter?
when the meter free is flowing, yet the reader yearns for more!
Making life for us exciting, our Corvidian verse reciting,
Can we truly quibble over some perceived linguistic flaw?
Surely, were it pedant knocking on the poet's chamber door,
We'd have Raven, nevermore?
(c) Edgarnezer McGonagall Poe
Mike4 wrote:And there was me thinking you'd instructed "Bard" to write a poem about this!
Mike4 wrote:Dicky99 wrote:
Or using a question mark in lieu of a full stop.
I was sorely tempted to comment on that too, but felt it would dilute the impact of my answer to the (implied) question.
But the thing that really gets my goat is people ending a statement with a question mark?
Why do they do that.
Mike4 wrote:
OB joke:
Shakespeare walks into a pub and orders a pint of best bitter. The landlord says "Sorry no. You're barred"
Oh sorry, this isn't Jokers' Corner....
UncleEbenezer wrote:Mike4 wrote:And there was me thinking you'd instructed "Bard" to write a poem about this!
Heh.
Ok, you've piqued my curiosity. How would you have gone about formulating a request to Bard to write that?
It's actually very easy to mimic Poe's rhyme scheme and meter if you're prepared to sacrifice sense.
BTW, that poem has defeated me several times attempting to set it to music. It imposes itself too strongly for the prospective music to add value. Maybe it would work if spoken to a soundtrack, in the manner of Facade or Banana Blush?
Mike4 wrote:You're doing a different Poe! I was referring to Nathan Poe, who ain't no poet.
Mike4 wrote:Curious how few people seem to say "ain't" no more. My peers when I was a brat at primary skool was always bein told off for sayin it.
UncleEbenezer wrote:Mike4 wrote:Curious how few people seem to say "ain't" no more. My peers when I was a brat at primary skool was always bein told off for sayin it.
Ain't nuffink to see! My inner pedant cringed at the double-negative.
I had a vague impression there was an element of regional slang about ain't. So it was moving through space as much as through time that cleared my ears of it.
Do you still live where you grew up?
Mike4 wrote:No, I grewed up in Ashford, west London. My dad was a genuine Cockney as in born within the sound of Bow bells, but spent his first 30 years in Hayes. "Ain't" was a commonly used word amongst my childhood peers and I've an idea it is a Cockney word. But the etymology and the apostrophe in particular puzzles me. Slang doesn't usually contain punctuation so maybe it has more formal roots.
I might even be driven to goggle it!!
According to Etymology Online, the term was first attested in 1706 meaning am not, and it was used with that sense until the early 19th century, when it began to be used as a generic contraction for are not, is not, etc. in the Cockney dialect. It was then "popularized by representations of this in Dickens, etc., which led to the word being banished from correct English."
UncleEbenezer wrote:Mike4 wrote:Curious how few people seem to say "ain't" no more. My peers when I was a brat at primary skool was always bein told off for sayin it.
Ain't nuffink to see! My inner pedant cringed at the double-negative.
I had a vague impression there was an element of regional slang about ain't. So it was moving through space as much as through time that cleared my ears of it.
Do you still live where you grew up?
[edit] On second thoughts, scrub that. Thinking historic/literary references, the second one that springs to mind comes from Catfish Row.
Mike4 wrote:You're doing a different Poe! I was referring to Nathan Poe, who ain't no poet.
In ancient Rome's sprawling domain,
Emperors sought power to maintain.
From Caesar to Nero,
Their reigns were a show,
Till the empire's decline was ordained.
stewamax wrote:Poe's narrator (in The Raven) was clearly haunted by adjectives ending in -er:
"Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore—
Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore,
Of ‘Never—nevermore’.”
verse 1 wrote:While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
verse 2 wrote:Eagerly I wished the morrow;—vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow—sorrow for the lost Lenore
verse 3 wrote:So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating
“’Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door
And since this is Pedants' Place, I can add that text like this in The Raven that reaches a crescendo thus:
Caught from some unhappy master | whom unmerciful Disaster | Followed fast and followed faster
is using a mix of the welsh 'cynghanedd sain' rhyming and the Old English 'A A | A' alliteration used by Langland in Piers Plowman
As UncleEbenezer - at least I think it was him! - has commented, the overall 'trochaic octameter plus a short line' metre used is difficult to set a song to or even to parody. Tennyson's Locksley Hall used trochaic octameters, and Locksley Hall was in turn parodied by William Bromley Davenport's foxhunting morality tale Lowesby Hall
UncleEbenezer wrote:And since this is Pedant's Place, I must deplore your horrible misuse of the word "crescendo". Not to mention both our misuse of "And since" to begin a sentence!
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